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	<title>Comments on: BREAKING: Massachusetts AG to Sue U.S. for Marriage Recognition</title>
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		<title>By: Coakley for Senate?</title>
		<link>http://lawdork.net/2009/07/08/breaking-massachusetts-ag-to-sue-u-s-for-marriage-recognition/#comment-2650</link>
		<dc:creator>Coakley for Senate?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Coakley is responsible for the first state challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act, which I reported on earlier.  The Boston-based Jones wrote: But when it comes to LGBT rights and working on behalf [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://lawdork.net/2009/07/08/breaking-massachusetts-ag-to-sue-u-s-for-marriage-recognition/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m not going to go point for point, but I think you may want to re-read the complaint filed.  There is no way the court is going to leap from the narrow question presented to somehow invalidate all same-sex marriage laws.

Your interpretations of the Griswold and Scott rulings are very exaggerated, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not going to go point for point, but I think you may want to re-read the complaint filed.  There is no way the court is going to leap from the narrow question presented to somehow invalidate all same-sex marriage laws.</p>
<p>Your interpretations of the Griswold and Scott rulings are very exaggerated, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: To DOMA, or not to DOMA &#171; Gay Briefs</title>
		<link>http://lawdork.net/2009/07/08/breaking-massachusetts-ag-to-sue-u-s-for-marriage-recognition/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>To DOMA, or not to DOMA &#171; Gay Briefs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] DOMA, or not to&#160;DOMA 2009 July 11    by Henry   Update: Chris at Law Dork 2.0 has some more on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Prup (aka Jim Benton)</title>
		<link>http://lawdork.net/2009/07/08/breaking-massachusetts-ag-to-sue-u-s-for-marriage-recognition/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>Prup (aka Jim Benton)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have mentioned my &#039;nightmare scenario, but no one has directly taken it on, so let me lay it out and -- hopefully -- someone out there will show me the flaw in my reasoning.  (I have never said, I insist, that this is certain or probable, merely that it is a &#039;reasonable possibility.&#039;  For fellow baseball fans, the Mets winning the National League East classifies as a &#039;reasonable possibility&#039; -- doubtful, but we can hope -- the Nationals winning it would be an unreasonable possibility -- it could happen, but it might convince me of the reality of Divine Intervention.)

Okay, here is my argument:

1:) A decision merely stating that DOMA is Constitutional would be annoying, but not disastrous, since it could be overruled legislatively

2:) A decision holding that DOMA  is constitutional &lt;b&gt;because &#039;marriage involves one man and one woman&#039;&lt;/b&gt; would be disastrous, and would be difficult -- but not impossible -- to overturn legislatively -- and would require more support than we currently have

3:) A decison that invalidated all same sex marriage laws -- and rulings -- on those grounds would be catastrophic

4:) It is &#039;reasonably possible&#039; that Scalia would issue such a ruling were he to command the majority of the Court.  (This is the arguable point, of course.  Such a ruling would be against law, reason, and common sense &#039;but when&#039;s that ever stopped him before.&#039;  And commanding the majority might be difficult -- but less so if age or illness created a vacancy, in which case there could be a 4-1-3 decision with Kennedy &#039;concurring in the result but not the reasoning,&#039; thus leaving the Scalia opinion the ruling of the Court.

5:) Such a ruling might be made more difficult if Obama&#039;s DOJ went &#039;further than necessary&#039; in their defense of DOMA.  (This is also a guees that I would like argued against by someone with more knowledge.)

All I want, really, is to be &#039;talked down.&#039;  Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mentioned my &#8216;nightmare scenario, but no one has directly taken it on, so let me lay it out and &#8212; hopefully &#8212; someone out there will show me the flaw in my reasoning.  (I have never said, I insist, that this is certain or probable, merely that it is a &#8216;reasonable possibility.&#8217;  For fellow baseball fans, the Mets winning the National League East classifies as a &#8216;reasonable possibility&#8217; &#8212; doubtful, but we can hope &#8212; the Nationals winning it would be an unreasonable possibility &#8212; it could happen, but it might convince me of the reality of Divine Intervention.)</p>
<p>Okay, here is my argument:</p>
<p>1:) A decision merely stating that DOMA is Constitutional would be annoying, but not disastrous, since it could be overruled legislatively</p>
<p>2:) A decision holding that DOMA  is constitutional <b>because &#8216;marriage involves one man and one woman&#8217;</b> would be disastrous, and would be difficult &#8212; but not impossible &#8212; to overturn legislatively &#8212; and would require more support than we currently have</p>
<p>3:) A decison that invalidated all same sex marriage laws &#8212; and rulings &#8212; on those grounds would be catastrophic</p>
<p>4:) It is &#8216;reasonably possible&#8217; that Scalia would issue such a ruling were he to command the majority of the Court.  (This is the arguable point, of course.  Such a ruling would be against law, reason, and common sense &#8216;but when&#8217;s that ever stopped him before.&#8217;  And commanding the majority might be difficult &#8212; but less so if age or illness created a vacancy, in which case there could be a 4-1-3 decision with Kennedy &#8216;concurring in the result but not the reasoning,&#8217; thus leaving the Scalia opinion the ruling of the Court.</p>
<p>5:) Such a ruling might be made more difficult if Obama&#8217;s DOJ went &#8216;further than necessary&#8217; in their defense of DOMA.  (This is also a guees that I would like argued against by someone with more knowledge.)</p>
<p>All I want, really, is to be &#8216;talked down.&#8217;  Anyone?</p>
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		<description>[...]  BREAKING: Massachusetts AG to Sue U.S. for Marriage Recognition From the Attorney General&#8217;s office: Attorney General Martha Coakley will announce the details of a lawsuit that [...] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PeeJ</title>
		<link>http://lawdork.net/2009/07/08/breaking-massachusetts-ag-to-sue-u-s-for-marriage-recognition/#comment-1204</link>
		<dc:creator>PeeJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quickly!  Get those magic ponies delivered!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quickly!  Get those magic ponies delivered!</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://lawdork.net/2009/07/08/breaking-massachusetts-ag-to-sue-u-s-for-marriage-recognition/#comment-1203</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worry about Kennedy for a SSM case because his attitude to me often seems paternalistic. In Romer, he assumed the posture of nobly defending a minority group from animus. In Lawrence, he waxed lyrical: &quot;When sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring.&quot; (No, just like heteros, gay people also can have one-night stands. Really.) On the other hand, maybe his romanticism will make him supportive of legal recognition for those personal bonds that actually ARE enduring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worry about Kennedy for a SSM case because his attitude to me often seems paternalistic. In Romer, he assumed the posture of nobly defending a minority group from animus. In Lawrence, he waxed lyrical: &#8220;When sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring.&#8221; (No, just like heteros, gay people also can have one-night stands. Really.) On the other hand, maybe his romanticism will make him supportive of legal recognition for those personal bonds that actually ARE enduring.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://lawdork.net/2009/07/08/breaking-massachusetts-ag-to-sue-u-s-for-marriage-recognition/#comment-1202</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prup overstates somewhat, but I think it&#039;s an inferrable conclusion from the end of Kennedy&#039;s opinion for the Court (BTW, once again, how is it that people didn&#039;t freak out by having SSM show up in the same paragraph as &quot;pedophilia,&quot; or prostitution?):

The present case does not involve minors. It does not involve persons who might be injured or coerced or who are situated in relationships where consent might not easily be refused. It does not involve public conduct or prostitution. &lt;b&gt;It does not involve whether the government must give formal recognition to any relationship that homosexual persons seek to enter.&lt;/b&gt; The case does involve two adults who, with full and mutual consent from each other, engaged in sexual practices common to a homosexual lifestyle. The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government. “It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.” Casey, supra, at 847. The Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prup overstates somewhat, but I think it&#8217;s an inferrable conclusion from the end of Kennedy&#8217;s opinion for the Court (BTW, once again, how is it that people didn&#8217;t freak out by having SSM show up in the same paragraph as &#8220;pedophilia,&#8221; or prostitution?):</p>
<p>The present case does not involve minors. It does not involve persons who might be injured or coerced or who are situated in relationships where consent might not easily be refused. It does not involve public conduct or prostitution. <b>It does not involve whether the government must give formal recognition to any relationship that homosexual persons seek to enter.</b> The case does involve two adults who, with full and mutual consent from each other, engaged in sexual practices common to a homosexual lifestyle. The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government. “It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.” Casey, supra, at 847. The Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Prof. Donald Gaudard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prof. Donald Gaudard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Judge Sotomayor hasn&#039;t ruled on any gay cases, her record on privacy cases is very good.  Also, she defended the rights of gays as a law student at Princeton when several students dorm room was ransacked.  See the following article for information about this.  For a straight woman to defend gays in the 1970s was quite unusual.  Of course, that doesn&#039;t mean she would support gay causes, but at least she&#039;s not hostile as Alito, Scalia, and Thomas are.

http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2009/05/sotomayor-spoke-out-against-harassment-of-gay-princeton-students-in-1976.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Judge Sotomayor hasn&#8217;t ruled on any gay cases, her record on privacy cases is very good.  Also, she defended the rights of gays as a law student at Princeton when several students dorm room was ransacked.  See the following article for information about this.  For a straight woman to defend gays in the 1970s was quite unusual.  Of course, that doesn&#8217;t mean she would support gay causes, but at least she&#8217;s not hostile as Alito, Scalia, and Thomas are.</p>
<p><a href="http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2009/05/sotomayor-spoke-out-against-harassment-of-gay-princeton-students-in-1976.html" rel="nofollow">http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2009/05/sotomayor-spoke-out-against-harassment-of-gay-princeton-students-in-1976.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Caoimhe Ora Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caoimhe Ora Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You realize, of course, that this is going to be yet another opportunity for people to scream &quot;HE&#039;S KILLING US ALL, THAT EVIL BARACKSTABBER!!!&quot; when the administration defends the existing law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You realize, of course, that this is going to be yet another opportunity for people to scream &#8220;HE&#8217;S KILLING US ALL, THAT EVIL BARACKSTABBER!!!&#8221; when the administration defends the existing law.</p>
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